RFC 309

Data and File Transfer Workshop Announcement

πŸ“… published March 1972, from ietf

DATA AND FILE TRANSFER WORKSHOP ANNOUNCEMENT πŸŽ€

Okay bestie, this is a workshop announcement from way back in 1972 πŸ’– It's RFC # 309, written by Abhay Bhushan of MIT-MAC (NIC # 9260), dated 17 March 1972, and it's part of the Network Working Group. Nothing here says it obsoletes or updates anything, so we'll just vibe with what's actually on the page 🫢

The Vibe Check ✨

MIT is hosting a workshop on Data and File Transfer on Friday, April 14 and Saturday, April 15, 1972 πŸ¦‹ People were lowkey wanting to revise the existing ARPANET Data and File Transfer Protocols (RFC # 264 and RFC # 265) so they fit the ARPANET requirements we understand way better now πŸ’…

The goal is to land on a unified convention for ARPANET data and file transfer πŸ‘‘ The workshop needs to properly think about the needs of TIP users, DATACOMPUTER users, remote job entry users, and the major ARPANET service systems. Big main character energy 🌈

Abhay also invited a bunch of interested parties on top of the current data and file transfer protocol committee 🌸 If your area isn't represented and you want to present or discuss something specific, contact him at 617-864-6900 Ext. 1428 πŸ’œ

Position Papers and Who Gets In πŸ“

Participants are encouraged to bring written position papers πŸ“ If possible, these should be shared as NWG/RFCs or informal notes to invitees before the workshop, so everyone's prepped 🧚

It's meant to be an intensive workshop, and the second half is for a detailed specification of the protocol. So attendance is limited and by invitation only πŸ™ˆ The list of invitees is attached (see below). If you weren't invited but want to come, reach out to Abhay.

Please contact either Abhay or Sue Pitkin if you plan on coming. Don't ghost them πŸ’€

Where to Stay 🏨

Hotel reservations can be made at Random House, operated by MIT's Real Estate office ($5.00 to $7.00/night). Contact Abhay or Sue Pitkin (617-864-6900 Ext. 1450) before March 31st 🌷 If you'd rather go elsewhere, the Fenway motor Hotel (Tel. 617-492-4777) is a convenient option πŸš—

Friday, April 14th, 1972 🌟

Location: 8th Floor Conference Room, MIT Project MAC, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, Mass. πŸ›οΈ

Morning Session, 9:00 a.m. β˜€οΈ

Speakers, all giving their own tea:

  • Steve Crocker, ARPA: Keynote Address and General Discussion πŸ‘‘
  • Richard Winter, CCA: The DATACOMPUTER and ARPANET Protocols
  • William Crowther, BBN-NET: Data and File Transfer to Terminal IMPs
  • Robert T. Braden, UCLA-CCN: Remote Job Service on ARPANET, A Server Viewpoint
  • John Heafner, RAND: Remote Job Service on ARPANET, A User Viewpoint

(LUNCH) πŸ₯ͺ

Afternoon Session, 1:30 p.m. 🌀️

  • Ray Tomlinson, BBN-TENEX: The TENEX View and Experience With "CPYNET" 🧚
  • Abhay Bhushan, MIT-MAC: Current Data and File Transfer Strategies and Some Measurement Results. πŸ“Š

Group Discussion of Data Transfer Protocol πŸ’¬

Talk about revising the existing data transfer protocol (RFC 264) and any specific changes. Check the tentative discussion items for DTP on page 4. You're expected to have read RFC 264 and be familiar with it, no excuses πŸ“š

Group Discussion of File Transfer Protocol πŸ’¬

Talk about revising the existing file transfer protocol (RFC 265) and any specific changes. Check the tentative list of discussion items on page 4. You're expected to have read RFC 265 and be familiar with it 🫢

Agenda (Cont.) πŸŽ€

Saturday, April 15th, 1972 🌸

Location: 8th Floor Conference Room, MIT Project MAC, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, Mass.

Morning Session, 9:00 a.m. β˜€οΈ

Working Session on Data and File Transfer Protocols πŸ› οΈ The objective is to come up with revised specifications for data and file transfer protocols that meet current (existing and anticipated) ARPANET needs. A unified approach is the desirable goal to strive for. πŸ‘‘

The session continues Friday's discussion of data and file transfer protocols, adding specific ideas and changes to the existing protocols. There's also a possible sub-committee to write the revised specifications for DTP and FTP 🧚

Afternoon Session, 1:30 p.m. 🌀️

(TO BE DECIDED) πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

Tentative List of Items for Discussion πŸ“‹

Data Transfer Protocol (DTP) πŸ’–

  • DTP vs TELNET. Concept of extended TELNET, or allowing use of ASCII in DTP.
  • Error Control and recovery in DTP (use of error checks, restart, etc.)
  • Modes available: handshake, only one mode, or use of default.
  • Information separator, Aborts, and the Use of Close (NCP-CLS) to Separate Information.
  • Use of DTP with TIPs
  • Use of DTP with DATACOMPUTER

File Transfer Protocol (FTP) πŸ’œ

  • Use of ICP, inter-mixing data and control, transferring files to third connections (possibly to different sites)
  • The command language: ASCII or codes
  • Handling of data types and physical storage.
  • Handling of descriptors and logical structure
  • Error control and error recovery
  • Use of FTP with TIPs
  • Use of FTP with DATACOMPUTER
  • Uniform Pathnames and the ARPANET virtual file system.

List of Invitees 🫢

R. T. Braden (UCLA-CCN), A. Chan (MIT-DMCG), S. D. Crocker (ARPA), W. Crowther (BBN-TIP), E. Harslem (Rand), J. Heafner (Rand), A. McKenzie (BBN-NET), J. Melvin (SRI-ARC (NIC)), E. Meyer (MIT-MULTICS), J. Postel (UCLA-NMC), N. Ryan (MIT-MULTICS), M. Seriff (MIT-DMCG), R. Sundberg (Harvard), R. Tomlinson (BBN-TENEX), R. Watson (SRI-ARC (NIC)), J. White (UCSB), R. Winter (CCA) 🌈

Suggested Reading πŸ“šβœ¨

Attendees are recommended to read these papers before the workshop. It'll make the workshop way more successful, ngl πŸ”₯

  1. The Data Trnasfer Protocol, NWG/RFC # 264
  2. The File Transfer Protocol, NWG/RFC # 265
  3. The Use of "Set Data Type" Transaction in File Transfer Protocol, A. Bhushan, NWG/RFC # 294
  4. Using ARPANET Remote Job Entry, E. Harslem, NWG/RFC # 307
  5. NETRJT -- Remote Job Service Protocol for TIPs, R. T. Braden, NWG/RFC # 283
  6. Interim NETRJS Specifications, R. T. Braden, NWG/RFC # 189
  7. User's View of the DATACOMPUTER, R. Winter, NWG/RFC # 219
  8. Data Language, CCA, NIC # 8208
  9. A Suggested Addition to File Transfer Protocol, A. McKenzie, NWG/RFC # 281
  10. Revision of the Mail Box Protocol, NWG/RFC # 278
  11. Some Experience with File Transfer, H. Brodie, NWG/RFC # 269
  12. ARPANET Specifications for UCSB's Simple-Minded File System, J. White, NWG/RFC # 122

You should also read any position papers distributed before the workshop 🌸


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